Today, the debate about the Loch Ness Monster is to be found scattered across various websites and forums, but particularly on the various discussion groups set up on Facebook over recent years. Gone are the days when books from recognised experts or occasional updates from newsletters plus some headlines on TV or newspapers shaped the debate. I use the word "shaped" as there would not have been much in the way of open debate unless newsletters published readers' letters several months later - a bit slow by any measure.
Who shapes or controls the debate is important as that can influence sufficient followers of the mystery down one path or the other. Back in the 1960s, 1970s, and into the 1980s, the plesiosaur believing cadre more or less held sway with the odd side path down to invertebrates, the paranormal and scepticism. The number of believers swelled as the plesiosaur meme took hold in society and even the unconvinced thought it at least bore further study.
Then came the sceptical times and the narrative shifted the other way as those who did not think there were any exotic beasts in Loch Ness took control of the debate. I would symbolically place the start of this era with Tim Dinsdale's final edition of "Loch Ness Monster" and Ronald Binns' "The Loch Ness Mystery Solved" about 1982-83. This was kept going by the publications of people like Adrian Shine, Steuart Campbell, Tony Harmsworth and Boyd/Martin. By the turn of the century and the coming of social media, the debate became democratic as anyone could enter and have their say, thus both sides lost control.
The ensuing melee led to a certain degree of uncertainty when the difference between speculation, deduction and empirical facts could become blurred, depending on who you are reading. The well defined channels of control warp as more heat than light can be generated, the inane and ridiculous enter, repetition is indulged and anonymous trollers seek to disrupt and deceive. In the midst of all this, reasonable people ask reasonable questions and may get reasonable answers, but the innate bias in all of us to push our own agendas is never far away.
Having watched the debates ebb and flow over the years in various Facebook groups, and participated in not a few of them, there was one underlying theme which was evident to me, perhaps to others as well and it regarded the matter of purported photographs of the Loch Ness Monster. If you're going to have a debate, then you need a subject. If you wish to offer speculations and opinions, you need the raw data and nothing adds grist to the mill like a digital or silver nitrate image showing something unusual somewhere on Loch Ness.
Which brings me to the tentative title of this piece. The classic photographs of the monster turn up frequently in group discussions. In fact, they tend to turn up too frequently sometimes. One thread of debate finishes and before you know it another turns up a few weeks later asking the same questions, perhaps an FAQ archive of appropriate discussions would be appropriate. That is mainly down to the way discussions can quickly disappear from the top page and scroll out of sight once the last comment is made. Another reason is multiple groups not knowing what the other is doing.
But whatever the reason, I wondered how the modern brand of monster believer differed from the ones that frequented the scene in the 1930s or the 1970s? One main difference for me is the fact that they have been exposed to a level of sceptical rhetoric not seen by the two previously mentioned generations. They have seen the writings of Shine, Campbell and Binns plus the various websites of other sceptics which dot the digital landscape. The general sceptical arguments and the specific arguments against cryptids are posted, read and processed on the forums, they have an effect, seen and unseen. But that is the way of it, multiple opinions on all sides are read and we all process, filter and file them in our own particular ways.
Let me get to the centre of the argument here and I am concentrating on the photographs here. Imagine for a moment that there are no cine films, videos, sonar or whatever else - only still images. This genre gets panned regularly by the sceptics on the forums, but also by various people who believe in the Loch Ness Monster. Well, that is okay you might say, we're not going to be the gullible believers of the 1930s and 1970s, we are going to be enquiring and critical believers who don't jump at the latest evidence without having a good look at it.
Now, I do not have trouble with people assessing the latest item of evidence and putting it through some stress tests (though some of the stress tests need stress testing themselves). After all, there is some rubbish out there passing for evidence of the Loch Ness Monster. However, it is the approach to retro-analysis of evidence going all the way back to 1933 that bears thinking here. Some people are digging themselves into a hole they will not get out of.
What do I mean by that? In such debates, it is usually the case that a sceptic will turn up with their prepared arguments about why this photograph and that photograph should be rejected as evidence. Their motive here is not to apply the fine sieve of logic in the search for the best evidence. Their motive is to trash all and every piece of evidence by fair means or foul. People say we need sceptics to keep us on our toes and grounded in some kind of reality. I can see the reasoning there but I do not think they think they are there to keep you on your toes. Since day one, they have been there for one reason only and that is to turn you into one of them.
Maybe you think you are nimble enough to outwit them with a bit of ducking and diving? Perhaps like those crowds on the Pamplona bull runs of Spain, you think running alongside will sharpen your reactions and fitness - until they stick their horns in you and you become an ex-runner. But let me now list most of the photographs presented as evidence for the Loch Ness Monster since the media story began.
N. Dundas, Hugh Gray - 1933
Kenneth Wilson, Alistair Cummings, Anonymous (Daily Express), Mountain Expedition - 1934
Gordon Powell - 1936
John King (?) - 1938
Lachlan Stuart - 1951
Peter MacNab - 1955
Herman Cockrell - 1958
R. Lowrie, Peter O'Connor - 1960
Peter Hodge - 1964
Frank Searle - 1972 to 1976
Tony Shiels - 1977
Jennifer Bruce - 1982
Alex Crosbie - 1987
Anonymous (Daily Mail) - 1992
Helen Cowers, Andrew Wallace - 1993
Richard White - 1997
Alex Crosbie - 2000
James Gray - 2001
Roy Johnson - 2002
William Jobes - 2010
John Rowe, Jonathan Bright - 2011
Kate Powell - 2016
This is not a complete list of still photographs as some are not known to me such as those only seen in physical newspapers which were too late for the pro-Nessie books of the 1970s and too early for the Internet of the 2000s. Others are the masses of mobile phone pictures of distant objects which are not even worth marking as inconclusive. To be clear, I am not suggesting every photo listed here genuinely shows one of these creatures. I am saying this is the entire list as I can best create it totaling at least twenty nine pictures over eighty three years.
So, the best known of these pictures have been dismissed with various explanations. Dogs, swans, dolphins, windrows, hay bales, boat wakes, sticks, hoax models, birds and debris. Looking over the Internet discussions on such pictures over the years, it became apparent that some people who believed in the Loch Ness Monster were accepting these sceptical explanations. The appropriate description may be the oxymoronic tag of sceptical believers, a tension between two positions. Are some on the road to becoming believing sceptics?
You may have noticed I did not include the underwater photographs of 1972 and 1975 produced by the AAS team of Robert Rines in the list above. The reason for that was because I am only considering surface photographs here which leads me to the main statement here. If you do not believe any of the above photographs you know about portray the Loch Ness Monster, then you have implicitly admitted there is no Loch Ness Monster. You may well be a dead man walking, going through the motions and the hole you have dug for yourself will become a grave as you finally move into full blown scepticism.
Are these harsh words, exaggerated sentiments or something closer to the truth? This brings us to the central question. Statistically speaking, how many surface photographs would you expect to have been taken of the Loch Ness Monster since 1933? The answer is of course not calculable since we are not in full possession of all the required facts. There are over 1000 eyewitness reports of which we can say certain things:
- A proportion are misidentification or hoax.
- A proportion have witnesses with a camera to hand.
- A proportion use it and take some snaps.
- A proportion do not come out due to distance or malfunction.
- A proportion do not publish them.
You can play around with these numbers and come out with a varying number of photographs, but what proportions do you use to arrive at zero? Perhaps you decide 50% of these 1000 reports are real, 30% had a camera, 50% used them, 70% turned out and 80% published. That gives you forty two pictures over eighty three years. Or maybe you turn the screws and decide only 10% of sightings are viable, 20% had a camera, 50% were used, 30% turned out and 90% published. That gives you about three pictures. However, the more one turns the screws on the accounts to justify their position that no still photos have ever been taken, the more they diminish their own reasons to believe in the monster.
But then you may name the Taylor, Dinsdale, Raynor, Smith or Holmes films as your particular favourite piece of evidence. But how can that position be justified? If you think all of the pictures ever presented are inadmissible as evidence, how can you expect zero photos but any number of films? Since still cameras have been more abundant that cine cameras over this period, statistically we should expect more photographs that film or video footage.
Finally, you may retreat to the underwater photos, the various sonar contacts or maybe just the best of the verbal eyewitness accounts which had no recording device. But again, it does not matter how good these are since the way eyewitnesses describe what they see on the surface demands that such scenes are photographable. You cannot escape the conclusion - if you cannot in good faith name some good photographs from nearly ninety years as positive evidence, you have implicitly said there is no monster.
I do not know who is or is not on the edge of this as I do not know anyone who would confess that none of those twenty nine photos are of the Loch Ness Monster - apart from sceptics of course. I know my position on that list and it is at least sixteen out of the twenty nine. Where do you stand? Shoulder to shoulder with every sceptical attempt to erase such history or on the side of the testimony of the cameras as well as the eyewitnesses?
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With just a quick gander I picked out four photos as believable, if not provable. Add this to a number of eyewitness testimonials, videos, and sonar hits over the years that were influential. While your point about skeptics trying to turn believers into one of their own is well taken, I find many deniers are desperate for some kind of confirmation that they're right and you're wrong. Failing that, one well-known bloke once had a meltdown on social media, and the resulting diatribe and mocking was all about smart, rational people like him having to deal with fools and imbeciles. Since then the lack of respect has been reciprocal.
ReplyDeleteWhich ones Ron? Here is my list beginning with the most probable and followed by the dubious ones as far as I'm concerned.
Delete1 The Hugh Gray one
2 The Johnston one
3 The Rines long neck and body underwater shot
4 The other ones which the names escape me and are not popularised but are shown above. Help me out here GB
The dubious ones:
1 The Surgeon's Obviously
2 The McNab, I think it has been explained as a boat wake. Dubious non the less. That would be a big monster, more than has been reported
3 The The Lachlan Stuart three hump (Too good to be true)
3 The O’Connor pic. I have my own reasons for it being a possible hoax. Again, too good to be true.
4 The Ian Monckton "Roast Chicken" land pic, that has been given short shrift, here by Roland
5 And lastly The Muppet photo, need I say more?
Other than that, I am a true believer.
John, statistics over nearly 90 years of watching demands some "too good to be true" photos. The sceptics try and dispatch them into oblivion and then would raise the same argument here as me. They do it to recruit, I do it to warn.
DeleteJohn Rowe, Jonathan Bright, William Jobe; there are others I'm on the fence about. More misses than hits. As for eyewitness testimony, John MacLean.
DeletePoint taken Roland, Well, I guess by definition, I am one of those Believing Skeptics. This mystery on some levels is so strange that the Yin and Yang concept of reality comes into play There is always going to be pro and con in all matters of high strangeness, For example the UFO dilemma, On the one hand, you have the Extraterrestrial purist and then you have the Interdimensional camp of followers. And they will never agree with one another. Bigfoot is an Interdimensional cryptid and a product of the UFO phenomena is one theory put forth. You can't win for losing!
DeleteI like the Muppet photo.
DeleteDifficult to say as I can't find all the images you list. I'd say 3 surface photos are possible. 4 at an absolute push. I confess to having days when every photo looks kinda dodgy, but also days when anything is possible. For example, the Surgeon's photo is clearly debunked and even looks tiny in the uncropped original image, yet the cropped close up version is easily the most iconic image ever associated with the mystery so will probably be paired with it forever because it's still so alluring.
ReplyDeleteGo to the right-side TOC Kyle, under PHOTOGRAPHS OF NESSIE most are there.
DeleteCheers John.
DeleteWhoa! this is a long one. OK , this probably is a good read and you never fail to disappoint. I haven't read it all, due to the length and lack of time, but will be back with comment, evaluation and observations after other readers comments for a discussion. Ta Ta for now.
ReplyDeleteOK, finisher your article, with a cursory review. I had to force myself to stay up longer than usual before I passed out from sleepiness, drunkenness, or not giving a damn at this late hour,1:30 am California time. which ever came first. My first take, is yes, the media and the skeptics influences everything. So one has to be careful in what to believe. For the believer, it is cut and dried. As has been said, the skeptic is right some of the times, but the believer is right all the time, or something like that For the uninitiated in the history, folklore, and lore of the Loch Ness story, it would be wise to be careful so as not to go down the wrong path, for it is fraught with misleading, erroneous and sometimes ridiculous misconceptions and assumptions. More to come, when I wake up and come to my senses.
ReplyDeleteOk, that was a long list provided by Roland, but I named the most salient examples. There is a litany of sightings an photos that are not well known to the casual reader or fan of this mystery.I don't even know all the details of the full story. That is why we have Roland and his blog.
ReplyDeleteBest evidence the 2000 AAS video with a separate foto further down prooving it was a hump and best eye witness account is the 1996 sighting near dores witnessed by 5 different people from 3 different groups.. My humble anyway lol. . Nearly time to book my next loch ness holiday.. Get in early to avoid disappointment lol.. Happy New year to you all.. Here's to the arguments and disagreements for 2023 ha ha.. Long may it continue lol.. The mystery lives on!! !.. Cheers
ReplyDeleteIt just occurred to me that of all the supposide pics, Frank Searle's cut and past job can be thrown out with the bath water, with no qualification or apologies. Tony Shiels comes in second. I feel bad for Searle and apologies to speak ill of the dead but he did a disservice to the Loch Ness Story. In the totality, his legacy is part and parcel to the Loch Ness Mystery and adds to the tapestry nonetheless. I'm thinking and will try to evaluate other pics and occurrences and will comment as appropriate. Stay tuned, more to follow But, who give a crap about my opinions, As my dearly departed Mom would say "Guarantee me a long life and I will believe you"
ReplyDeleteYour opinions are valuable here John. The discourse is generally cracking on this blog.
Delete@Roy, I'm sure you've mentioned this footage before on previous articles. Is there any more details on this account and those who witnessed it?
ReplyDeleteA. R LNE...yeah I've mentioned it before so won't dwell on it..just best evidence in my humble. The video was shot by THE AAS. and the still shot was taken by a second party further down nearer the water. If ur in the are there is a booklet by Colin baxter called loch ness and Inverness.. Its in there.. Cheers
DeleteYes. I've seen that photo in Baxters book; I specifically looked for it after reading Roys comments; years ago that was, and it is very compelling photo. Happy New Year to everyone!
DeleteCheers Roy!
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with your assertion GB that if someone doesn't believe at least one photo shows the creature, then they don't believe in the creature. In my mind there is no definitive photographic evidence. Everything can reasonably be explained as something else. My wishful thinking does not stop it being something else. Nor does a sceptic's wishful thinking stop it being the creature.
ReplyDeleteThat is not to say I think all of the photographic evidence shows something else; I don't. But that's just me.
For me, despite Adrian Shine's assertion that you can't believe your own, or anyone else's eyes, a reliable eyewitness account is gold. Again, reliable is open to interpretation.
For me, on balance of probability, there are simply too many aspects of this mystery for it to be nothing. If it is nothing, then we are a very imaginative bunch.
What is the John King 1938 photo? Btw I´m Lulu, been away for a while
ReplyDelete@Riitta and @Roy by any chance do you have access to this picture within Baxters booklet? I would love to see it!
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