tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post5965040923546974965..comments2024-03-20T18:13:07.791-07:00Comments on LOCH NESS MONSTER: Tales of Multiple MonstersGlasgow Boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-27104326234621795452014-01-10T17:25:28.859-08:002014-01-10T17:25:28.859-08:00Kudos GB on another fine and intriguing article. ...Kudos GB on another fine and intriguing article. I’ve had the nagging feeling that double or two-at-once sightings might have been more clumped in the 1933-1934 period, but your statistics and analysis not only prove this, but also that it was true to a much greater degree than I think any of us imagined. A strong correlation indeed, but now we face a new question: proving a correlation exists is one thing, understanding the cause is something else. If we reasonably take this to mean there was a behavioral change in the animals (or at least in some of them) that tapered off after this period, then determining the cause would probably tell us something quite important about the nature of the species. The data is trying to tell us something here, not that any of us may ever figure out what, but there’s got to be something to this.<br /><br />What I’d like to note is that this parallels something else we’re already aware of: the peak in land sightings during an overlapping period. What if these behaviors shared a single trigger? That would no doubt be informative as well, and something else to think about. Construction of the A82 is often blamed for “stirring up” the beasties to yield us more sightings in general, but in a way that’s counter-intuitive. Salamanders (for one example) hide from construction related noise and stress, and are seen less. So our trigger may be something a bit more subtle.<br /><br />Also worth remembering is that the tally of two-at-once sightings as a percentage of overall reports must represent the >minimum< number, making the count even more significant than it at first seems. There is no knowing how many of the two-hump reports were of a single animal presenting a two-hump aspect, or of two animals presenting us with a single hump aspect. Even when observers were “certain” two humps were part of one animal because they moved in concert, we know many aquatic animals swim in tight formation and move as one.<br /><br />If one takes the Gray Photo to represent two of these animals side by side (as you already know I do) then we also have photographic evidence for a pair of the animals being taken to be only a single object by the human observer at the time, in this case Hugh Gray.<br /><br />As to underwater observations, the University of Birmingham sonar experiments (1968-1970) did obtain results that were interpreted at the time as suggesting the animals moved in shoals as large as 5-8 animals (Mackall, page 132.)<br />Steve Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651489411808346005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-69611348980697924662014-01-09T05:30:18.132-08:002014-01-09T05:30:18.132-08:00I wouldn't discount the travelling Nessie theo...I wouldn't discount the travelling Nessie theory and there are some claimed sightings in the River Ness. I would suspect these are rare trips and would require some instinctive homing behaviour akin to salmon and eels.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-9979679582749522692014-01-08T12:20:54.111-08:002014-01-08T12:20:54.111-08:00The existance of any subterranean passages to the ...The existance of any subterranean passages to the sea have been ruled out by both proponents and opponents of unkown creatures in the loch. See Dick Raynor's website page for an explanation here:<br /><br />http://www.lochnessinvestigation.com/Tunnels.htmlJohn Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-43436507020820811802014-01-08T10:56:41.471-08:002014-01-08T10:56:41.471-08:00HI John. GB covered this article a while back. ti...HI John. GB covered this article a while back. titled Frank Searle and Baby Nessies (May 2012). Lieve Petin has said that she never actually witnessed any sightings at all but Frank was accompanied by, shall we say, one or two women during his time at the Loch :-) Cheers for the additional info, I will have a look at the sites you are referring to.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-17727081950970349792014-01-07T13:22:52.613-08:002014-01-07T13:22:52.613-08:00Has ant work been done in detecting subterranean a...Has ant work been done in detecting subterranean avenues of access to the loch from the ocean? Perhaps a juvenile could reach the loch and grow large enough to be trapped until finding a different way out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-18796650170402308032014-01-07T11:03:04.763-08:002014-01-07T11:03:04.763-08:00Hi Pete, the lady you are probably thinking of is ...Hi Pete, the lady you are probably thinking of is Lieve Petin. I think there were others in Seale’s groupie of women hanger-ons, but she’s the only one who comes to mind. You can read more about her in the Defunct Nessie Websites link in the goup to your right on this page. In addition there’s a page devoted to Frank Searle in the The Monster Hunters page link also to your right in the same group of links.John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-75966744533738483472014-01-05T03:12:37.364-08:002014-01-05T03:12:37.364-08:00Hi John, I've always thought exactly the same ...Hi John, I've always thought exactly the same thing. How can someone who has taken so many Nessie pictures and always had a camera at the ready miss an opportunity to take a close up picture of two possible Nessie juveniles? He did claim that he was accompanied by a woman when he had this alleged sighting but to my knowledge nobody has ever found out who this was and if they could back up his story.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-87238264507182030232014-01-04T14:06:16.518-08:002014-01-04T14:06:16.518-08:00In regard to Frank Searle, where's a camera wh...In regard to Frank Searle, where's a camera when you need one? As an avid Nessie photagrapher, one would think he would have taken a pic. That is assuming he had one at the ready, as he probably always did. Faking one that was halfway credible, as opposed to the cut and paste and other manipulated photo jobs he published was no doubt out out of his expertise. Sadly we only have his word, which in light of his exposure as a hoaxer, cannot be trusted and doesn't amount to anything. John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-90520141193997561362014-01-04T13:16:42.759-08:002014-01-04T13:16:42.759-08:00If the monsters have such supposed easy access to ...If the monsters have such supposed easy access to the sea, why keep returning to the loch? To breed maybe, but there are to many obsticles to get to open waters i.e. distance, weirs, locks, and shallowness of the rivers, they would have been noticed.If they have become aclimated or adapted to the fresh water of Loch Ness, returning to salt water invirons, I think, would be a shock to thier systems. No, I think they have been landlocked for centuries if not millennia .John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-5431929357592093122014-01-04T11:13:37.328-08:002014-01-04T11:13:37.328-08:00But why should it always be the River Ness that th...But why should it always be the River Ness that they swim up? "Well, there's the River Morar", I hear you say. But, by the law of averages, shouldn't they sometimes swim up a river to some small lochan where they would be as obvious as a whale in a goldfish bowl? My conclusion is that swimming up rivers isn't normal behaviour for whatever type of creature we're talking about.<br /><br />*AnonStg*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-25913884263438864302014-01-04T06:48:13.029-08:002014-01-04T06:48:13.029-08:00How very odd; I was just thinking that I needed to...How very odd; I was just thinking that I needed to ask you about the ratio of neck/head sightings to "upturned boat" humped or multi-humped (now THERE'S a fun word) creatures. And here you are, again, with the answer. You're pretty awesome.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />StormStormnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-88335924200197873062014-01-04T04:01:27.828-08:002014-01-04T04:01:27.828-08:00These observations, of great interest, would fit t...These observations, of great interest, would fit the theory that the Monster is identical with one of the species of large sea creatures seen in high-latitude fjords and inlets (e.g. the famous Cadborosaurus of the BC fjords). Far from being a permanent dweller in Loch Ness (where the question of maintaining a largely undetected breeding population is, to my mind, insurmountable), the creature is an ocean dweller who occasionally, perhaps in childhood, perhaps by accident or in pursuit of salmon, swims up the River Ness and gets trapped in the loch for a greater or lesser time. This accounts for a lot of sightings of a single creature for a limited period, after which the animal dies or finds its way out of the loch and all is quiet again. Multiple creature sightings would occur if a mating pair swam up the river into the loch and had a brood of offspring. In theory this could lead to a permanent population but hasnt yet done so, and again, after some spectacular sightings, the creatures die or swim out of the loch. This suggests that monitoring the River Ness with cameras and sonar might be a fruitful research direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-26261756480482118692014-01-02T09:15:51.708-08:002014-01-02T09:15:51.708-08:00It's on the Alex Harvey CD. I seem to have mis...It's on the Alex Harvey CD. I seem to have misplaced mine, so can't add anything at this point.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-42624517328110930492014-01-02T08:38:41.284-08:002014-01-02T08:38:41.284-08:00Number 19 - the Ian Dunn and Billy Kennedy sightin...Number 19 - the Ian Dunn and Billy Kennedy sighting is one I learned about on one of the many Nessie documentaries. It had them recounting what had happened and what they had seen. They decided to put their life jackets on as multiple humps surged waves close to the boat they were in. It seemed like a compelling close up encounter - does anybody have more info regarding this sighting !! cheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com