tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post1992029073423323894..comments2024-03-20T18:13:07.791-07:00Comments on LOCH NESS MONSTER: Review of "River Monsters" Loch Ness SpecialGlasgow Boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-395657678515479552017-11-02T02:13:31.083-07:002017-11-02T02:13:31.083-07:00Michael, you're wrong about our long lost Thyl...Michael, you're wrong about our long lost Thylacine. It lived in Tasmania, Continental Australia and New Guinea. Stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08260326973275156510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-61778234785043193952017-10-15T11:20:59.680-07:002017-10-15T11:20:59.680-07:00Bronze Whaler crossed with the Bull shark,,,,,,,, ...Bronze Whaler crossed with the Bull shark,,,,,,,, now kills more people in Australia than the Great White. All because of the man made canals. It and it's adaption parents use freshwater to breed and give birth. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04731758870678135681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-39278107819257672872017-10-15T11:13:18.828-07:002017-10-15T11:13:18.828-07:00Ever heard of the thailasine (not sure on the spel...Ever heard of the thailasine (not sure on the spelling), the Tasmanian Tiger, died out only 70odd years ago. Believed to only live in Tasmania, why then is there a cave painting of it in the Northern Territory?????? Possibly an Aboriginal travelled from Tasmania across Bass Strait then walked across the Australian centre to the NT and painted it.!!!??? Highly unlikely an Aboriginal would bother traversing a death desert from a life giving abundant Forrest to paint ONE picture of an animal only found on an island that is still only accessible by risking life. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04731758870678135681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-32255023621199985542017-10-15T10:50:31.996-07:002017-10-15T10:50:31.996-07:00I am sceptical on everything I read but I can'...I am sceptical on everything I read but I can't disregard something just because the native peoples did not "write". Obviously facts are distorted over time, "especially considering no written evidence" although the bible is full of bullshit and was written at least a thousand years after the fact, and considering the Australian Aboriginals are the oldest continueous civilisation on the planet , 'they didn't write. How can we disregard myth,' no matter how old'just because it wasn't written and considering cultures such as the Chinese ie, medicines, just because it started before the written word. What if the Loch didn't freeze to the bottom or it became shallower from rock moving with the ice settling in the Loch. Or, was the ocean higher for a short period after thawing.......????? Also I have read that there are some small gaps under the surface of the Loch that could lead to the sea that a juvenile monster could possibly have moved through 'some time in the past'. I live in Australia and have no scientific training but I have spent a lot of time in the bush and have seen things with a witness that science does not answer and regardless of what anyone says we know what we both saw. I will NEVER disregard legend completely 'most are planted by some truth' and I can never disregard the possibility of the unknown. We can't say 100% that ufos are all fake and we can never disregard the natural environment can be crazier than fiction. The Loch has secrets as the ocean always will have. Maybe exaggeration has distorted the truth but ALL myths lie with an element of truth. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04731758870678135681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-66139973698060949182017-04-23T15:57:07.478-07:002017-04-23T15:57:07.478-07:00After watching this episode AGAIN. Has anyone thou...After watching this episode AGAIN. Has anyone thought that maybe it could be what in China they call the Chinese Sea serpent. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14316883571207518797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-58754490172841860902016-05-18T05:19:04.922-07:002016-05-18T05:19:04.922-07:00Something almost unrelated to this programme, but ...Something almost unrelated to this programme, but I've been struggling to pin a name to the Pictish Elephant, and then I remembered the animal from Morar, and the painting of said animal. It saddens me to know that science does not accept eyewitness reports, and certainly I don't think they are the be all and end all. But the gentleman who instructed the artist in the reproduction was either lying or telling the truth. And if he was lying, I struggle to think how he could come up with such an odd thing. We see 'what we know' almost by nature, and this was none of those things.Martin Curranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09590190801760284564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-69748586686505699102015-12-15T15:35:37.123-08:002015-12-15T15:35:37.123-08:00OK - at least a year too late by all accounts.... ...OK - at least a year too late by all accounts.... I really liked the program as it is the only sensible look at the issue. So first - no long necks - basically the plesiosaur which is rightly identified as a reptile that would have to surface on a frequent basis for air. Skip to the end. I never heard Jeremy say there was a Greenland Shark in Loch Ness, what he did say was that this shark was part of the Viking Legends and that these legends would have followed them to Scotland. There was a takeaway thought that one of these creatures could have entered the loch from the sea (sharks seem to habitually check out freshwater habitats and survive) and not got out. This sole specimen may already be dead.<br /><br />One interesting point, the woman "over turned boat" witness I caught on another program on the subject as a born again Long Necker! Whatever pays the bills eh!<br />L Sheldonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05002812369516232612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-37543582527590430742014-03-08T07:40:14.690-08:002014-03-08T07:40:14.690-08:00I expect the creature in the dark and peaty Loch t...I expect the creature in the dark and peaty Loch to evolve poor vision,so popping up to look around may not be worthwhile.Maybe this is the explanation for long neck sightings being rare.Or perhaps the neck is a tail.<br />Jack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-27618553365063679392014-03-06T13:03:07.836-08:002014-03-06T13:03:07.836-08:00Still, could be some surprises from Roman times. I...Still, could be some surprises from Roman times. It may not have been possible to take a "Ferry cross the Mersey". They listed various English rivers, but not that one. Some think that the current broad estuary was an inland lake which reached the sea via Chester. And before they reached Loch Lomond they had run into some serious trouble from the local Nats. Could Ptolemy have been relying on reports of traders from hundreds of years earlier?<br />Also, to tip people off that an article on a possible Loch Lomond monster appeared in the Winter 2013/14 issue of the "Scottish Local History" magazine. Although the author, John Mitchell, has done more detailed and interesting work on the area in the past this was really a fairly flimsy rehash of things said before. Not sure why he published it, unless Internet Poster Syndrome is now spreading to the regular media. Basically:<br />1. The Waves Without Wind &c. routine<br />2. Reference from Macfarlane <br />3. Someone saw something in 1964<br />4. There's an American kids' book called "The Loch Lomond Monster" – and she eats peanut butter and honey sandwiches [Sub-text: Well, what do you expect from the Yanks? ;) ]<br /><br />*AnonStg*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-86261937442355972212014-03-06T01:33:20.534-08:002014-03-06T01:33:20.534-08:00And thanks for confusing me with a real scientist ...And thanks for confusing me with a real scientist :) Hey, I just look this stuff up on the Internet. Although I couldn't find when Loch Lomond was last connected to the sea, dang it. Surely not in Ptolemy's time though -- the Roman's had already invaded Briton by then.Steve Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651489411808346005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-52899214864783729272014-03-05T09:59:54.153-08:002014-03-05T09:59:54.153-08:00Thanks for putting me right on that. It's easy...Thanks for putting me right on that. It's easy to spot the non-scientist.<br />Re Loch Lomond, I was looking through MacFarlane's Geographical Collections (1767) -- fascinating set of volumes -- yesterday and found the following:<br />"Of Loch Lomond there is no mention in ancient writers. For Ptolemy marks only the arm of the sea. It is then the largest of several bays on the coast."<br />Now it really couldn't have been part of the sea at this late stage -- could it?<br /><br />*AnonStg*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-80557039123805640112014-03-04T22:41:04.841-08:002014-03-04T22:41:04.841-08:00And by contrast, the Secchi disc reading was 42 fe...And by contrast, the Secchi disc reading was 42 feet at Loch Morar (recorded by the 1903 Bathymetric survey). Now Morag reputedly shows none of Nessie's aversion to engine noise, even approaching, chasing, and in one famous case overtaking and ramming a boat while under power and doing 6 knots (McDonell/Simpson encounter, 1969).<br /><br />If you start with two populations of the same species adapting for 10,000 years to two different Lochs, one dark and peaty and the other crystal clear, one could expect those in the first Loch to develop more acute hearing and turn out much more sensitive to sound than those in the second Loch. And lo and behold, that is one of the characteristic differences between reports from Loch Ness and reports from Loch Morar. Coincidence? Perhaps. Perhaps not.<br />Steve Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651489411808346005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-81206643751168646282014-03-04T22:02:43.884-08:002014-03-04T22:02:43.884-08:00*AnonStg*, the powan is locally called a "fre...*AnonStg*, the powan is locally called a "freshwater herring" but it is actually a whitefish in the family Salmonidae, not a freshwater version of a herring species (family Clupeidae). So it's not a case of a saltwater fish adapting to freshwater.Steve Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651489411808346005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-42129300682979795412014-03-04T00:36:47.987-08:002014-03-04T00:36:47.987-08:00Thanks, really. I never realized how very quiet th...Thanks, really. I never realized how very quiet this place is without a Pug snorting and carrying on, but I'm getting used to it.<br /><br />So hey, Discovery Channel played this program on Sunday night, with the silly new name, "Loch Ness: The Original Cryptid". I set my DVR for it, unaware that it was this same show you'd posted about; I've never seen "River Monsters", so I didn't recognize the presenter at all. It took me about 15 minutes to realize, "Oh, for the love of Bowie, this has GOT to be that show/guy!" It really was just silly; the lengths that he went to and leaps of logic made in trying to find a "real" creature that could possibly look anything like Nessie are just as ridiculous as some of those made by "true believers" over the years, yet somehow worse, because he was SO VERY SERIOUS, dismissing every other theory or possibility as impossible while presenting the most ridiculous candidate/theory I've ever heard. The insulting derision with which he treated the people of the Highlands and their history was as infuriating as it was absurd; Scotland was invaded by Vikings, Vikings saw a lot of monstrous things in the water between Norway, Scotland, and Iceland, Vikings told the Picts about them, and that's where kelpie legends came from? Local ancient legends concerning water creatures can and should be discarded because they weren't written down, but the Norse did, so they must know better? I'm just a third gen Scottish-American, and it pissed me right off, so I commend you for your patience and tact in your review, being a Glasgow Boy and all.<br /><br />As the kids over there say: it was PANTS!<br /><br />Yours In Nessiana,<br /><br />Storm<br /><br />Stormnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-33711986319916312014-03-02T03:51:00.992-08:002014-03-02T03:51:00.992-08:00Yes GB, the adapt or die switch in a creatures gen...Yes GB, the adapt or die switch in a creatures genetics can be quite successful sometimes. Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-88936349665133975702014-03-02T03:47:21.828-08:002014-03-02T03:47:21.828-08:00Funnily enough I went to Specsavers yesterday lol....Funnily enough I went to Specsavers yesterday lol. No problems found. They are experts after all.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-67906625508143576022014-03-02T03:40:39.296-08:002014-03-02T03:40:39.296-08:00And the point I am making is that this adaption ti...And the point I am making is that this adaption time is known in certain species. His comment of "How does anybody know how long it can take an animal to adapt?" is the smoking gun to his ignorance John (at least you have the sincerity to use a named profile). Some may call it squabbling but as I always say this is a blog with points for debate.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-69828070428337069192014-03-01T12:31:40.927-08:002014-03-01T12:31:40.927-08:00In other words, don't underestimate what natur...In other words, don't underestimate what nature can achieve!<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-23144085883075580942014-03-01T12:21:39.440-08:002014-03-01T12:21:39.440-08:00Agreed. Amphibians can adapt very quickly. I read ...Agreed. Amphibians can adapt very quickly. I read about some frogs somewhere that were introduced to kill off certain insects. At first they couldnt jump high enough to catch them, withiin a few months their legs grew longer so they were able to catch them. Maybe a head and neck could do the same........food for thought .sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-75968309629511801832014-03-01T12:01:54.575-08:002014-03-01T12:01:54.575-08:00I think the point he is making is that people ass...I think the point he is making is that people assume that creatures need so much time to adapt but nobody really knows how long certain creatures take! I agree with him , so pete i suggest you follow the conversation instead of squabbling like a schoolboy !! johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-17987808439264629782014-03-01T02:37:42.670-08:002014-03-01T02:37:42.670-08:00No i think you need to read it properly or maybe g...No i think you need to read it properly or maybe get to specsavers dooooooohhh Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-15446136067317338342014-02-28T15:12:37.694-08:002014-02-28T15:12:37.694-08:00Ah, you mean the "white mice" episode? I...Ah, you mean the "white mice" episode? I don't recall any being captured for identification, some thought them to be small fish like charr.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-77552895181058493672014-02-28T13:36:48.095-08:002014-02-28T13:36:48.095-08:00I've read somewhere that on one of the occasio...I've read somewhere that on one of the occasions that a camera was deployed on the bottom of loch ness a strange looking, small white creature was momentarily in full view before moving out of shot. I can't remember where I read about and saw this video but if my memory serves me right the creature in question was spider/crab like in form. Do you know anything more about this GB as it sounds similar in some way to the Lanzarote cave albino crabs.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-84710151590283872032014-02-28T13:04:20.170-08:002014-02-28T13:04:20.170-08:00Perhaps you are in the wrong forum dude as you see...Perhaps you are in the wrong forum dude as you seem to have some difficulty understanding the debate but using the anonymous profile isn't really a clever move to hide your real name as it's obviously Homer Simpson.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-58116428655662805702014-02-28T12:42:42.535-08:002014-02-28T12:42:42.535-08:00Sometimes I wonder if a population of creatures co...Sometimes I wonder if a population of creatures could have staggered on in certain Scottish lochs into historic times before succumbing to some peculiar disease of orns or amphibiians. I'm thinking of Lomond in particular. Who knows if lack of water clarity might even have been a protective element against such? So many possibilities and 'unknown unknowns'.<br />Viva Pickled Nessie!<br /><br />*AnonStg*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com