Here is an sighting which I came across on the Unexplained Mysteries Forum which had been there for nine years - I wish I had found it earlier. The original link is here and I pull together the posts of the witness, who appears to be named Catherine Ross.
I've joined this forum to share (and hopefully receive explanatory feedback) on a sighting myself and my then husband had of something in Loch Ness in the late summer of 1987. At the time, we were both baffled and perplexed by what we saw, and acknowledged that it was something neither of us could identify rationally. Of course, we were familiar with the legendary 'monster', but the creature we viewed didn't really conform to what I've ever expected 'Nessie' to look like - it certainly did not look like a plesiosaur with a long, thin neck. Anyway, we were holidaying in Inverness and took a trip to the Loch purely for its beautiful, highland views. We were walking long a road which runs alongside the Loch in the vicinity of Dores, where we stopped at a little layby which overlooked the Loch (there was no beach, just a steep incline to the water). It was, if I recall correctly, about four o'clock in the afternoon (although it might have been earlier) and the weather was fine and dry. We were watching the water and looking across the Loch for about ten minutes when we spotted what I took to be a horse swimming off to the right. My first response was panic/worry that a horse would be out in deep water (I thought about 100ft out, although I'm awful with distances). We observed for a while, trying to work out what we were seeing, which is as follows:
A big horse's or camel's head on a thick neck sticking up out of the water with a rounded hump a little behind. The colouring looked black or very, very dark and, like a horse, there was some fuzzy, mane-like stuff sticking up and running down its back. It was moving forward, from the right of our vision to the left, fairly rapidly. We couldn't distinguish facial features or the like. After a minute or so, the head curved downwards into the water (as though diving) and a black, tube-like body followed it, as though the neck just kept going. A few seconds later a fluke-like appendage emerged and then quickly sank down, in a way that reminded me of a whale's tail going under. There was a far amount of spray and disturbed water. Whatever it was did not look like a dinosaur or plesiosaur, and was rather slimy and unpleasant looking.
As you can imagine, this experience was all very confusing, and we mentioned it to the people we were staying with in Inverness, who seemed interested but didn't take it too seriously. They thought perhaps we'd seen a deer. We never reported the sighting to anyone official (heck, we'd have had no idea how to do so) and it's just been a fairly interesting anecdote we've told family and friends whenever a programme about Loch Ness popped up on TV. We had a camera with us at the time, but, stupidly in retrospect, the moment we noticed the creature and stared (both trying to work out what we were seeing) and the moment it went under the water, all happened so quickly that it didn't cross our minds that it was something possibly connected with the mystery and worth photographing. Has anyone else ever had a similar sighting? Is there a natural explanation for this horsey creature? Any thoughts or opinions are warmly welcomed.
So perhaps August or September 1987 and Catherine is recounting events 25 years later in 2012. Naturally, some details will be less sharp when recalled after so long. My first question was where this exactly happened - near Dores, a layby with no beach below a steep incline. There is a layby with a steep incline just south of Dores, but there is a pebble beach below. If one goes any further south, grass fields begin to impose between the road and shoreline.
I wondered if she had misremembered this or foliage prevented her seeing a beach? Perhaps some local can clarify here. The replies came as others chipped in with questions and comments. In the absence of a sketch, she posted some animal photos best describing what she saw: "If anything, these pictures look closest to what we saw"
We have had a good number of eyewitnesses describe this merhorse kind of event, albeit, one should imagine these animals in the photos without ears to get a better sense of what was seen and a thinner head. She goes on to say:
Everyone we spoke with at the time was sure we'd seen a swimming deer, but even at the time I recall being convinced that wasn't what it had been. Another problem is scale - I'm not good at judging that kind of thing at the best of times, but when there was nothing else in the water, the thing could have been anything from 5ft to 10ft to 30ft - I couldn't hazard a guess. The thing I thought looked like a fluke could have been a flipper or anything - it definitely appeared at the back part of the submerging animal for a few seconds, though. I should be frank, it was an experience which at the time was perplexing and interesting, but we didn't 'do' anything about it, and I've never really thought about it that much (the trip being replete with other very natural fond memories!). It's only after reading about other people's experiences I started to think 'hey. I saw something strange back then - but it wasn't anything like what other folk have seen!'. Perhaps we did spot a monster back then, and there's a plethora of completely different looking beasties out there!
Catherine initially suggested a distance of 100 feet out, which is very close for a monster sighting. This should make length estimates easier, but what length is being described? That which is out of the water or a composite length based on parts seen throughout the event? Apart from deer, one could tentatively suggest a grey seal which has a more pronounced snout than the harbour seal, though she discounts a seal explanation further down. Some posted a drawing of an artist's impression of the cryptid cadborosaurus which reminded her of the creature, that picture is at the top of this article.
I should also add, that nothing I've come across (and I've spent - or wasted - some time today looking this up) in terms of reported sightings of the Loch Ness monster seem to match or come close to whatever we saw. Similarly, nothing on any TV shows I've seen over the years ever sounded like it. It was nothing like a plesiosaur, or sturgeon, or whale, or dinosaur, or otter and there was no graceful swan-neck or flippers. In fact, a 'swimming deer' probably comes closer than all those things, without being right. For all intents and purposes, what we both saw and said at the time (and what I still remember) looked like nothing so much as a slimy horse, way out of its depth and with fishy bits.
On another note, I've spoken to my ex (on the subject of the Scottish trip my friends are taking) and raised the subject. From what he recalls (without my prompting), he saw a horsey head on an big eel with a fish-tail. The fish-tail is, I suppose, as similar as one can get to my memory of the whale's tail. The eel part I've never thought about, as I'm not in any way familiar with eels. Perhaps others can let us know if there are big eels with anatomy like the thing I've described (a horse shaped head and fish or whale tail).
A horse like head on an elongated eel like body with a fluke tail at the end. Again, our monster defies easy correlation with known species of aquatic animals, no matter how much we inflate their sizes to bring them up to Loch Ness Monster proportions. But what resemblance does this have to the long neck sightings which describe a head which is almost no head but rather a continuation of the neck? Indeed, some sightings are almost just like poles sticking out of the water. Are those a different part of the animal or a different stage in development of the creature? Your guess is as good as mine.
if the animal was a horse (or deer) swimming (and it would have to have been been a fairly large specimen of either), it would have to be very dark and very dead afterwards (as we watched for some time after the thing submerged and nothing reappeared in the vicinity). The picture of the swimming horse with the dolphin following was very interesting, however - as this at least captured the sense of movement, which I would describe as wormy (if that makes sense). Is it possible a horse could have been swimming and dragged down by a big eel or some other big fish with a fluke or fish-tail? As I've also said, there were no ears that I can recall either seeing or mentioning at the time. If it was a seal, it would have to have had a long, thick neck which continued to a similar, tubular body.
Catherine posted some sketches of what she saw, but unfortunately nine years on, the site hosting these images has gone AWOL and they are no longer visible. Since she has not posted for nine years and moved on, it would probably require her to do another search for the monster to perhaps find this site and then email me those sketches. But all in all, an interesting sighting by two eyewitnesses which is thought provoking and adds to the merhorse genre.
The author can be contacted at lochnesskelpie@gmail.com
sss
Your initial illustration appears to be the proposed Cadborosaurus, seen off the west coast of Canada and the US. A photo of one found in a whale's stomach:
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cadborosaurus_October_1937.jpg
Yes, its use is explained further down.
DeleteThat's what I was going to comment! Stay out of my mind Olrik!
DeleteThe alternative explanation of the photographed specimen was that it was some sort of ingested whale fetus, but the specimen itself and associated tissue samples supposedly disappeared...
DeleteAt first I thought that she was describing the classic Kelpie from Folklore.
ReplyDeleteInteresting account!
Perhaps the old natives were not far wrong.
DeleteJust when Darren Naish had half-convinced me Caddy was a misidentified swimming moose. Stop confusing me, Darren!
ReplyDeleteHere's a somewhat cheesy computer animation of how Cadborosaurus could look and swim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guXICB_nrxs
Moose is Scottish for mouse. Which is Darren referring to?
DeleteDarren thinks Caddy is a composite of different misidentified animal species. Like the usual seal, whale, sturgeon, with the odd swimming elk (called moose in America) blended in the mix of witness reports. Standard skeptic argument, I guess.
DeleteLooks like a Champ sighting in Loch Ness!
ReplyDeleteMaybe a prehistoric whale?
ReplyDeleteA whale could only go undetected in Loch Ness if it wore a cloaking device.
DeleteI am not wanting to start anymore arguments about eels, but it sounds like a Horse-eelto me.
ReplyDeleteIt's an eel, Jim. But not as we know it ...
DeleteProbably an eel-whale hybrid.
I did not say eel, but can there be such a beastie?
DeleteYes,OK I could go for a giant horse eel as long as it's not your garden variety eel and can hold it's head out of water giving the impression of a head and neck. And who knows, maybe somehow a bigger than usual one got into the loch and that's what they saw. An eel-whale hybrid Roland? Okay, there's your exotic big fish. But wait a minute, it would be an exotic big whale. Still wouldn't account for the land sightings though.
DeleteOnly joking about the eel-whale hybrid, can't see that mating ritual going well.
DeleteThe eel-whale hybrid enters the discussion. Neat.
ReplyDeleteNot indigenous, a visitor, following the fleet of fishy-food. We be guessin'.
Have there been reports of similar in Scottish/Irish/northern waters?
Probably, I have always said Nessie must be related to similar cryptids in the North Atlantic.
DeleteA very intriguing and unexpected story. I can only wonder what it may have been!
ReplyDeleteHi Roland,
ReplyDeleteI would have to agree with you, that Nessie must be related to similar cryptids in the North Atlantic, but I would not stop there, I would say similar to other lake monsters through out the globe.The account above is very similar to the description of Ogopogo, as it is to many other ones, and this just can't be a coincidence all the time.There is obviously a genetic resemblance causing this.
Eoin O Faodhagain.
It wouldn't be surprising that many lake cryptids are visitors, but it's hard to believe they're all of a kind. I'm not sure what Champ is described as or how it might compare to eastern Atlantic sea life, but there are similarities between Caddy and Ogopogo accounts in the northwest Pacific.
DeleteHow a "Caddy" ended up in Loch Ness is a mystery, and I'd like to hear more about northern Atlantic ocean creatures and a possible Loch Ness connection.
An eel-whale hybrid? That would be a wheel!
ReplyDelete... And if, as some suggest, Nessie lives in a cave deep down in the Loch, would that not be a. 'Wheel burrow'?
DeleteIsn't that what Zugelon whale was supposed to have looked like?
DeleteI think you mean Zeuglodon, that's an old name that isn't used anymore, it's called Basilosaurus now. It was earlier thought to be more snake-like but modern reconstructions make it look more chunky.
DeleteYou are correct, as though that creature was thought to be by some as Nessie and Champ?
DeleteOnly having read the discription of the sighting, and not having read any of Roland's analysis, the animal that it sounds like most to me is a seal. This is not a completely satisfactory explanation given that some details don't particularly sound like an seal, and I'm happy to be wrong, I would also not rule out a large otter, nor a shape shifting whale /seal hybrid...
ReplyDeleteI will (of course) now go and read what Roland has deduced.
Could this be one of the infamous long neck seal sightings?
DeleteNo
DeleteHer description reminds me sightings of "horse-eels" at Lough Nahooin and Lough Auna.
ReplyDeleteAre those a real Eel? The one they saw seemed to be quite large
DeleteNo! Don't start with your big eels...again
DeleteI was just asking if there is such a thing as a horse eel, as thought manes on necks were for seals?
DeleteWith so many different descriptions of nessie i think its likely that now and again different things come up from the sea and thats why we get so many different descriptions.
ReplyDeleteGood point so could be existing creatures in Loch, and also visitors time to time?
DeleteSomething swimming in from coastal waters and then exiting, without being observed along the way. Narrows the possibilities.
DeleteRoland, didn't you recently post a map and/or list of cryptid sightings off the Scottish coasts?
This is the article I was thinking of:
Deletehttp://lochnessmystery.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-itinerant-monster.html
I'm not buying that there's more than one cryptid in Loch Ness. That line of thought makes me feel like I've given up taking things seriously. If there's 2 why not 3? Or 1000?
DeleteGood point. But if I had to accept more than one type of cryptid in the loch, I wouldn't go past two. Otherwise like you imply, credibility goes out the window.
DeleteAny notion of there being more than one cryptid species in Loch Ness is pure nonsense if you ask me. Occam's Razor, people.
DeleteCould a giant squid adapt to fresh water? Interesting photo of it in the water...
ReplyDeleteThe day a giant two-metre squid stranded in Cornwall
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/day-giant-two-metre-squid-5570425
Have been reports of them at time in Great Lakes even!
DeleteNo squid are salt water sea life.
Deleteso no Elephant squid then as Nessie?
DeleteHmm...Let me think... no.
DeleteSadly...no
DeleteLol!
DeleteYeah things cud come in up the rivers but I still think there is a big resident or a few of them that live in the loch... Cheers
ReplyDeleteAnd on a good note... Im Just packing my bags for my upcoming trip to loch ness leaving on Monday!! 10 nights staying in chalet and cabins..camera and binoculars at the ready... Hope they have plenty of tennents in the shops lol.. Cheers
ReplyDeleteGood hunting! :)
DeleteI just arrived at the Loch for the weekend.
DeleteMy comments are these: I have no problem with the hypothesis that LNM is a visitor of some brand. But WHERE do these (obviously quite large) creatures come in at? HOW do they come in? And WHERE and HOW do they leave again?
ReplyDeleteNext comment: How would a person go about attempting to monitoring the comings and goings of creatures into and out of the Loch? If one were to speculate, what times of the year might be best to see such migrations (if one may call these trips into and out of the Loch that)?
Big can of worms, if you ask me.
Same way as seals do.
DeleteSeals are small, 6 ft in length at most. How does a large animal of say 30 to 40 ft in length and large in body go undetected through the shallow rivers and locks which are equally shallow? How does a large animal navigate the locks without being seen?
DeleteThey don't go undetected - river sightings add up to at least 8 - and that is the people we know about.
DeleteThere are no locks in the River Ness.
What! No locks on the river Ness?...Now you tell me. Should have checked Google Earth first before I stuck my foot in my mouth. Anyway, you would think that there would be more frequent reported sightings than the 8 throughout the years if Nessie were a frequent traveler to and from the sea.
DeleteOK, I think I get it now. Loch Ness is above sea level draining into the River Ness to the north east. Whereas the end with the locks at Fort Augustus is slightly above loch Ness level requiring locks. Is that right? Am I making sese?
DeleteI remember reading that Tim Dinsdale ruled out an itinerant nessie because of what he called 'Telford's Weir' at the river Ness. Does this mean that visitors from the sea would have to use the Caledonian Canal?
DeleteJack, one of the river Ness accounts was from one of Dinsdale's books. Significantly it happened during heavy rain, the Weir would be in a high state of spate. Besides, the monster can negotiate this in the same manner as a seal.
DeleteTelford's wier! Yes, thank you Jack, that's what I was trying to remember as another obstacle to any large creatures coming into the loch through the river Ness. I had heard about it and have seen pictures of it, I just couldn't remember what it was called. I would even go so far as to speculate that the monster could bypass this obstacle by going on land, thus clearing it! Would that be too much of a stretch? Maybe we'll never know unless someone witnesses such an event. Clever Nessie that would be!
DeleteDo you think some sightings of nessie might be some type of a large seal?
DeleteThe Fort Augusta locks are left open at nightfall allowing 12 feet of water. No street lights.
DeleteThe only way large animals can come thru would be when the rivers are high as recently think they have been quite low!
ReplyDeleteHow do all manner of ships and boats pass through LNess?
DeleteBoth the Holmes Mill and Telford wiers have fish gaps in them that are large enough to conceivably allow small to moderate sized LNMs to pass thru when the river is in spate. But under spate conditions heading out of the loch through the wiers would be a much easier propostion than trying to pass through the wiers heading to the loch. The animal would have to swim against the spate current, which would be extremely forceful through the wiers. It would have to be an extremely powerful swimmer to do this successfully.
ReplyDeleteRoland,
ReplyDeleteIf you could, would you be willing to write an article about LNM sightings either going into, or leaving the loch by way of the rivers or streams or side paths? And how long ago were these sightings? Have there been any, say, post-2000, or more recent?
That article is already written:
Deletehttps://lochnessmystery.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-itinerant-monster.html
However, the last recorded river event was back in 1967 which seems far too long ago.
The description is either of an unknown creature, or a familiar creature in an unusual environment, or it's made up.
ReplyDeleteBest way to narrow it down is to interview the lassie. GB over to you...
There is something slightly incongruous about one aspect of this report. The author, in reply to a follow up posting, says that she's never thought much about the "sighting" but she also mentions watching various TV programmes about Loch Ness over the years. Do those two statements really fit? If you had such a sighting and took the trouble to watch documentaries on the subject, would you really not have thought very much about your sighting?
DeleteChris Morris
Not necessarily. Fits quite well with human psychology I think.
DeleteThink there was a famous sighting of a "monster" down in the south in a river, and was found to be an Elephant Seal way out of their normal region!
DeleteAgree Chris. I'm extremely suspicious of the - I knew about the legend of course but never quite put the two together - type reports.
DeleteFirst of all - why not report it then?
Secondly - why report it now?
I usually assume complete fabrication but on occasion GB has dug into similar reports and I've found the witness more credible.
jesusFan
DeleteElegant seal isn't native and would almost certainly be spotted by someone else. Air breathers wouldn't be hard to find on the loch either as the monster or a misnomer.
"Whatever it was did not look like a dinosaur or plesiosaur, and was rather slimy and unpleasant looking."
ReplyDeleteI note that the description of Nessie as not being very nice to look at is very much in keeping with that provided by other witnesses. This, for me, is what gives Catherine's sighting the ring of truth. Nessie always struck me as probably being a caecilian or hagfish-like amphibian creature, more grotesque than majestic/awe-inspiring.
That could be the reason why some see the Loch ness monster as not being physical and more supernatural in origin!
DeleteI have no idea what Catherine saw or didn't see. However, to claim that her description being " very much in keeping with that provided by other witnesses" gives it extra credibility is false logic. If you wanted people to believe your sighting then you'd be likely to base your description on other accounts. This is not to disparage Catherine as I have no idea what happened but I do think it is essential to scrutinise witness statements carefully. All too often believers and sceptics alike focus on parts that back up their beliefs rather than remaining objective and questioning.
DeleteChris Morris
On the contrary, the consistency of Catherine's account with that of other witnesses is confined to encounters that do not fit the 'mainstream' image of Nessie (Greta Finlay and the Spicers come to mind), but are nevertheless credible for different reasons and consonant with one another. I would think that your run of the mill faker would probably be more inclined to make their descriptions more 'stereotypical'.
DeleteSo the giant squid/octopus hypothesis is beyond the pale?
ReplyDeleteSome seem to like it better then my Giant Eel take!
DeleteThere is reportedly a large freshwater octopus lake monster in Oklahoma. A large tentacle reaching out of the water could be mistaken for a long neck...
Deletehttps://blogs.scientificamerican.com/octopus-chronicles/could-an-octopus-really-be-terrorizing-oklahomae28099s-lakes/
Sp Nessie is one of those?
DeleteThis very recent sighting (video) off the coast of Vancouver Island, BC, which some are identifying as a crocodile, is in the exact area where many sightings of Cadborosaurus have been made...
ReplyDeletehttps://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/croc-or-crock-east-sooke-sighting-met-with-skepticism-1.5512935
Is there something trailing in the water behind the "head" or is it just a ripple? Difficult to see what this could be.
DeleteI think it's the wake, but there's something about it that looks odd, for sure.
DeleteI thought it strange how the video ends when it approaches the shore...
DeleteI'm not buying it. It appears to hit the rocks head on and the abruptly stops. Should've went to specsavers ;)
DeleteShades of the Jonathan Bright photo again! Remember his photo of a horse-like head, complete with hairy ridge going down the back of the neck, huge staring eyes, large open mouth with water spilling out?
ReplyDeleteMy one tiny issue with the Bright photo is this so called head because it looks rather large and bulky but yet we have other eye witness accounts who claim to have seen an abnormally small head attack to a neck. I'd love this to be the head of Nessie but I honestly feel that it's just a wave clashing with others on a rough day.
DeleteI don't get how some people see a "head". If it truly is a Nessie, it's got to be a neck or back part, otherwise it's just a freak of nature wave and at best pareidolia at work. Bottom line is, everybody has a subjective observation, including me!
DeleteOn zooming the photo, you can actually see two staring eyes with those frightening ridges above each eye, two ears or horns, two nostrils, a wide open mouth with water spilling out, and what appears to be a hairy ridge going down the back of the head / neck area, all on a horse-like head. Just way too much detail to be just pareidolia, and those staring eyes are what get me - has to be the most frightening photo yet of what is in that Loch! And strangest of all, exactly what a few witnesses have described seeing. Too much to be a simple coincidence, my opinion.
Delete@RonnieJersy - It looks more like an animated cartoon from the 1984 The Family-Ness series...
ReplyDeletehttps://cbbc.fandom.com/wiki/The_Family_Ness
I wish I could share your enthusiasm with the Bright photo but I sadly don't.