tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post9141738506202902222..comments2024-03-20T18:13:07.791-07:00Comments on LOCH NESS MONSTER: The Beast of the Beauly FirthGlasgow Boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-35270631258381244222013-01-05T03:00:29.608-08:002013-01-05T03:00:29.608-08:00Hi anon I have just read the article on Raynors si...Hi anon I have just read the article on Raynors site & it is exactly the idea that I was referring to. It has obviously been thought of before and somewhat dismissed as unlikely to occur but on a side note tunnels, caverns etc do occur in many forms of rock and are not exclusive to limestone. Limestone tunnels are formed by water processes as Mr. Raynor has pointed out but natural cracks and fissures can and do occur in many forms of rock, especially in geologically unstable areas. We are told that the highlands was like this millions of years ago and at one time rivaled the Himalayas in height. Over time things have settled down and we are left with what we have today which are mere molehills in comparison. Going back to the tunnel hypothesis, I personally think it is unlikely but not impossible.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-18545547183563366482012-12-23T09:02:01.007-08:002012-12-23T09:02:01.007-08:00Apparently, it's the "Deepdale" carc...Apparently, it's the "Deepdale" carcass (now that I have "Monster Hunt," the U.S. version of "The Leviathans," in front of me) that was found on the main island of the Orkney's in late 1941. Dinsdale discusses it in some detail in the book, and explores it under the auspices of a decaying basking shark, in the way that Heuvelman's suggested that the apparent "long neck" appearance is the cartilgeneous bones leftover when the flesh has rotted away. I'd have to sit and read it right now (which I can't) to get Dinsdale's take on it and his analysis. But in the chapter on it, he highlights several sightings and carcasses in the Orkney's, including MacKintosh Bell's, and with a map.<br /> And thanks, anon, for the link. I'll check it out.Peter Saucerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16349540965664679379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-53475078097653189952012-12-20T17:09:20.755-08:002012-12-20T17:09:20.755-08:00Willy - for an idea of the topography from Dochfou...Willy - for an idea of the topography from Dochfour to the sea there's Raynor's website <i>again</i> - http://www.lochnessinvestigation.com/RiverNessJourney.html Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-66876830297127725332012-12-20T17:06:49.613-08:002012-12-20T17:06:49.613-08:00Pete - that sounds like the idea on Raynor's w...Pete - that sounds like the idea on Raynor's website - http://www.lochnessinvestigation.com/tunnels.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-29074843077870783632012-12-20T14:26:00.310-08:002012-12-20T14:26:00.310-08:00Would the carcass story be the account of the Stro...Would the carcass story be the account of the Stronsay beast.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-22037104505664787172012-12-20T14:22:19.943-08:002012-12-20T14:22:19.943-08:00Hi again GB. The water would always level out at t...Hi again GB. The water would always level out at the lower level no matter what the angle of the supposed tunnel, even if it was an undulating or winding tunnel. However, the use of the word 'tilted' in your reply has given me a thought. If the tunnel ran from the depths of Loch Ness and then inclined upwards above the level of the loch and then travelled downwards into the sea, something that is at least possible in a mountainous area, this would allow a connection of the two bodies of water via an airlock, no matter how short this airlock was. There would be two levels of water in the tunnel, one at the loch level and the other at the lower sea level with a raised section of the tunnel connecting them. The water free airlock would start at the water level of Loch Ness, carry on upwards and then down to the lower sea level. If, for example, a diver was to travel this tunnel they would emerge from the water at the upper end of the passage then walk or climb down to the lower sea water level depending on the length and angle of the airlock, re-enter the water at sea level and swim out into the sea. As the LNM has been reported several times out of the water I suppose it could be a possible explanation to the tunnel hypothesis. A rough comparison would be the tunnels that potholers explore.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-19928391425958966632012-12-20T08:37:32.503-08:002012-12-20T08:37:32.503-08:00It's not totally clear to me how direct the ac...It's not totally clear to me how direct the access is along the chain from Dochfour, River Ness, Beauly Firth, and into the open sea.... but it made me think instantly of Heuvelmans's reports of our classic long-necked sea serpents from Scottish waters, such as the one from the Kyle of Lochalsh in 1893, to the marvelous account reported by J. Mackintosh Bell, in 1919, in the Orkney Islands -- Gould talked to Bell, and it's in Dinsdale's "Leviathans," along with a carcass story from the same area. I'll have to refresh myself on the details of the carcass, but I've always loved Bell's sighting for it's details and that the local sailors and fisherman told him they were familiar with the animal. <br /> Not to far from the Beauly Firth, it seems..... Peter Saucerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16349540965664679379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-43451030688627075272012-12-19T03:03:01.629-08:002012-12-19T03:03:01.629-08:00Hmmm, what if our theoretical tunnel was tilted to...Hmmm, what if our theoretical tunnel was tilted towards the Beauly Firth from Loch Ness? <br />Would that offset the supposed outflow of water from Loch Ness to the Firth? <br />At what angle would gravity balance water pressure?<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-39046989409652223072012-12-18T15:05:58.366-08:002012-12-18T15:05:58.366-08:00A very good point concerning the fresh water outfl...A very good point concerning the fresh water outflow into the sea. I suppose a very rough model experiment as GB mentioned, would be the tunnel of the Glendoe hydro electric plant that runs from the reservoir in the mountains down into Loch Ness, although admittedly the reservoir is about 1960 feet above the loch and not the 52 feet that Loch ness is above sea level, but the principal of drainage would be the same, but as I said, a very rough comparison. Even though Loch Ness is a lot deeper than the North Sea and if the tunnel was deep below sea level, the actual water levels would even out unless as I said before, the loch filled faster than it was draining.Petenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-34788797804766857802012-12-18T12:39:03.489-08:002012-12-18T12:39:03.489-08:00Pete - I agree with you. Of the vertebrates, mamma...Pete - I agree with you. Of the vertebrates, mammals, reptiles and birds would drown on the journey, amphibians couldn't survive in the firth, fish could easier swim up the river so that only leaves... well nothing.<br /><br />Additionally, the less dense 4 degree fresh water would be easily spotted wherever it emerged from the tunnel.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-55361602978973606962012-12-18T07:43:26.477-08:002012-12-18T07:43:26.477-08:00The physics of two bodies of water connected by a ...The physics of two bodies of water connected by a tunnel is not quite my forte. One assumes what you say is true but a scale model experiment would be most interesting .. to me anyway.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-71244038504261909432012-12-17T13:00:23.428-08:002012-12-17T13:00:23.428-08:00I've never been very keen on the tunnel hypoth...I've never been very keen on the tunnel hypothesis as Loch Ness is about 52 feet above sea level. If there was a large tunnel system there, surely the Loch would eventually drain down to sea level. If there are smaller tunnel outlets to the sea that drained the loch slower than it is replenished by its rivers and water drainage from the surrounding hills and mountains, imagine the force and thrust of the water gushing through these smaller tunnels. I think that it would be a bit of a long shot for any large or even smaller marine animals to swim against this torrent for the six miles or so from the sea or Beauly Firth area into Loch Ness, unless someone can explain a tunnel system that would allow a milder outflow of water in the geological conditions of the area.Petenoreply@blogger.com