tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post8748914827171552418..comments2024-03-20T18:13:07.791-07:00Comments on LOCH NESS MONSTER: The Marjory Moir Story RevisitedGlasgow Boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-2356124307904270802019-06-19T11:08:47.140-07:002019-06-19T11:08:47.140-07:00I remember growing up with this story as Marjory M...I remember growing up with this story as Marjory Moir was my great aunt. She was indeed a great character.<br />Jacky MacBeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11900493201707646356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-70383439875665855182014-02-12T14:07:12.571-08:002014-02-12T14:07:12.571-08:00I followed up the crocs slant on Loch Ness and wil...I followed up the crocs slant on Loch Ness and will add some thing at a later date (such as another article confirms the croc-like skull).<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-16815812768899338702014-02-12T10:13:32.153-08:002014-02-12T10:13:32.153-08:00In Gould's book there's an interesting foo...In Gould's book there's an interesting footnote to the discussion of the Loch Ness crocodile. It is as follows: "Mr. C.W. Ingram informs me that a skull, believed to be that of a crocodile, was brought up in a fishing net at the mouth of the River Shiel, in Loch Moidart. It was not a fossil, and did not seem to have been immersed very long. Probably, it was some relic or trophy which had been jettisoned."<br /><br />But what if it wasn't a croc skull? Gould's language suggests the identification was less than certain. What if it was the skull of a recently deceased lake monster? It could be that our lake monsters skulls bear a passing resemblance to crocs. Especially if they're related. I'm coming uncomfortably close to implying a plesiosaur identification, and as much as I'd rather not open that whole can of worms, at least some plesiosaur skulls do bear a more than passing resemblance to crocodile skulls. What if the proof is actually tucked away in some private collector's or museum's cabinet or shelf mis-labelled as a croc skull? Hmmmm .......<br /><br />Paddy Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-7394700694817845032014-02-09T13:33:57.351-08:002014-02-09T13:33:57.351-08:00Thanks, Paddy. I thought it had to do with Dores. ...Thanks, Paddy. I thought it had to do with Dores. A search of the papers of that time may throw up a rumour or two.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-11026673458272396792014-02-09T13:21:32.083-08:002014-02-09T13:21:32.083-08:00More about the Loch Ness crocodile story: Gould...More about the Loch Ness crocodile story: Gould's book mentions that there was a lady who visited her husband's family in the Loch Ness area in 1888. Her father-in-law told her of a friend of his who lived in the Dores area. The man had lived in Africa for a period of time and became fond of crocodiles. He had three crocs imported to his home, and had a specially built tank to hold them, but when the crocs got large he became afraid of them and planned to give them away to a zoo, but one of them escaped. It was assumed it made its way into the Loch, and the lady who relayed the tale said that her husband's family warned her about the crocodile seen on the rocks in the Dores area. I have serious doubts that the escaped crocodile of 1888 is the same animal seen by Miss MacDonald in the river in 1932.<br /><br />PaddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-73022716352869738082014-02-08T09:05:12.439-08:002014-02-08T09:05:12.439-08:00I also remember reading stories of a crocodile in ...I also remember reading stories of a crocodile in Loch Ness. I think one account was in Tim Dinsdale's first book or Monster Hunt 1972 Edition, and one account of a pilot flying over the loch and spotting a large crocodile or alligator like creature in Urquhart bay, but for the life of me can't remember the source or the date of that one. The article referenced by Jenny was very enlightening and gave me food for thought, I have always been of the belief that Nessies were pemanently landlocked, but after reading the Stangemag article, I'm not so sure anymore. If there's any validity to a roaming Nessie, then somehow,someway they are able to negotiate all the obstacles in thier way, which brings to mind the Moray Firth sighting by Celia Hawe.John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-75903924018617770612014-02-07T05:54:01.432-08:002014-02-07T05:54:01.432-08:00I read an article in a newspaper from 1933 or 1934...I read an article in a newspaper from 1933 or 1934 mentioning this escape crocodile story. I would have to dig around to see if I copied it but it didn't give much details on who the owner might have been, though I think I recall he was a resident of Dores.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-22536616282761123032014-02-07T05:26:54.594-08:002014-02-07T05:26:54.594-08:00That's interesting - thanks, Paddy. I'd ne...That's interesting - thanks, Paddy. I'd never heard about the escaped croc - do you happen to know roughly when that might have been? I'd always suspected that Miss MacDonald's earlier sighting may have been a sturgeon. Sturgeon can look pretty crocodilian (or reptilian) to those not familiar with them. Furthermore, some reports claim that she said the earlier creature "resembled a crocodile with tusks". The "tusks" could perhaps have been a sturgeon's barbels? At any rate, I'd suspect a sturgeon before I'd suspect that she'd seen a morphologically different juvenile Nessie as the article I linked to suggests (although I broadly agree with its overall suggestion that Nessie is a rogue marine dwelling creature).Jenny Hanivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-53342171437225808782014-02-06T16:48:29.797-08:002014-02-06T16:48:29.797-08:00Jenny, I 've read somewhere that a local Loch ...Jenny, I 've read somewhere that a local Loch Ness resident had a pet crocodile or gharial (I can't remember which) that escaped. It was presumed to have made it's way into the Loch and succumbed to the cold temperature. Perhaps that's what Miss MacDonald saw in the river in 1932? Here in the U.S. south in recent years, alligators are being seen and removed from lakes which are normally considered too cold for them to survive in. Given this, my own view is that some aquatic reptiles are a bit more cold tolerant than is recognized by science. <br /><br />I didn't see fit to mention Miss MacDonald's 1932 sighting in my previous post as my point was to highlight the similarity between Miss MacDonald's 1934 sighting and that of Mrs. Moir. I do need to correct something in my previous post: Miss MacDonald actually stated the creature was 30-40 yards away. <br /><br />PaddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-73999901824884092822014-02-06T05:10:17.870-08:002014-02-06T05:10:17.870-08:00Yes, you're right. Ok, I will see about doing ...Yes, you're right. Ok, I will see about doing this.Mrs Moir's granddaughternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-39428384909227523022014-02-05T12:54:33.539-08:002014-02-05T12:54:33.539-08:00I realize that it might be a lot to ask, but I am ...I realize that it might be a lot to ask, but I am sure I – as well as many other readers on this site – would greatly appreciate it if you were to interview "Ann" in the same way you did your grandmother and post the results to this site. Group sightings like this are rare enough, and to have a proper chronicling of what both your grandmother and "Ann" saw would be a real treasure!Gus Garridonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-34308874580311644442014-02-05T12:40:30.346-08:002014-02-05T12:40:30.346-08:00There's more to Kathleen MacDonald's sight...There's more to Kathleen MacDonald's sighting than that. In fact, she had two of them in very different circumstances:<br /><br />In February 1932 Miss Kathleen MacDonald of Inverness observed an animal swimming up-river towards the Holm Mills weir. She reported an animal six to eight feet in total length, with a very short neck and long toothed jaws, generally crocodile-like in appearance. Miss MacDonald reported seeing a second unknown animal two years later in May of 1934 between Lochend and Abriachan, although she described this one as possessing three distinct humps, an undulating neck, and small head. In The Loch Ness Monster, Rupert Gould uses the distinct morphological differences noted in these two reports to suggest that the animal seen by Miss MacDonald in the River Ness was not the monster proper and not the same animal seen by here two years later, although he makes no attempt to identify it. A possibility which Gould fails to address is that during the two years separating the MacDonald sightings the animal may have grown and developed in shape. While Gould does not report an estimated length of the animal observed in the second sighting he does provide a silhouette drawing, based on a sketch provided by Miss MacDonald, which suggests a size greater than the six to eight foot estimate given for the animal seen in 1932. The animal in the drawing also possesses a pronounced neck, although one decidedly shorter than that reported in subsequent sightings. Could Miss MacDonald have had the privilege of seeing Nessie entering the loch via the River Ness as an infant in 1932, and then again observed the same animal in a more developed state two years later? Gould certainly offers no evidence that would disqualify the possibility. <br /><br />Source: http://www.strangemag.com/roguenessie.htmlJenny Hanivernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-20473593241666821572014-02-05T10:28:37.502-08:002014-02-05T10:28:37.502-08:00What a great story and we are so lucky to have it ...What a great story and we are so lucky to have it captured here . This website is in my opinion the best resource online for a subject that has been a life long hobby of mine and I find myself returning almost everyday to read the comments . Thanks Glasgow Boy !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-9198696478104435022014-02-05T06:00:23.427-08:002014-02-05T06:00:23.427-08:00What a wonderful account; which really brings this...What a wonderful account; which really brings this old and classic sighting to life.Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-66969723847815955912014-02-05T03:23:18.909-08:002014-02-05T03:23:18.909-08:00The monster sighting is just six and a half minute...The monster sighting is just six and a half minutes out of about two hours of recorded conversations between my grandmother and I, made during the time that I was living with her for a few years towards the end of her life. My reason for making these recordings was not specifically just the monster account itself, but rather to make a general record of some of her life stories and adventures while there was still time to do so. It had become clear that her memory was fading. <br /><br />I set up the cassette recorder in her living room and started asking her questions about the stories I’d been hearing from her all my life. It was just a casual domestic situation with no press or strangers around. She knew I believed everything she was saying. Although she was old, she was comfortably well-off with nothing to prove to anyone anymore. No one had ever dreamed of such a phenomenon as the internet back then, and at the time of recording she probably believed no one outside myself and my family would ever listen to it.<br /><br />As ‘Ann’ is a family member, I’ve also spoken to her many times about this sighting. She remembers the great fear that being so close to the creature inspired. She said she felt terrified that it might come up onto the shore to where they were standing watching it.<br /><br />I’m glad this article has attracted some comments already and I’ll keep checking in from time to time to see if more appear. If anyone out there has questions, I can try to answer them as best I can. However I just want to emphasise that I’m not a scientist, expert or anything else of the sort. I just happen to have been born into a family that used to live on the shores of Loch Ness, and that is the only reason for my having any connection whatsoever to the topic. I find the subject of the monster as baffling and intriguing as the next person.Mrs Moir's granddaughternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-1224245062292654672014-02-05T01:05:05.302-08:002014-02-05T01:05:05.302-08:00I'll look that one up, looks an even better ac...I'll look that one up, looks an even better account.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-70598400488524081802014-02-04T17:21:10.400-08:002014-02-04T17:21:10.400-08:00Mrs. Moir's sighting is similar to a sighting ...Mrs. Moir's sighting is similar to a sighting from May 1934 by a Mrs. K. MacDonald. Mrs. MacDonald claimed to have seen, from 40-50 yards, a big hump surface, that morphed into 3 humps (a large central hump and 2 smaller humps at each end). Then a fourth hump emerged separated by water from the other humps. This fourth hump turned out to be the back of an elongated neck, which reared out of the water and at the end of which was a small head. <br /><br />PaddyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-11566895291688121512014-02-04T00:19:58.507-08:002014-02-04T00:19:58.507-08:00Probably about a couple hundred quid in today'...Probably about a couple hundred quid in today's money.<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-71394099625378034902014-02-03T18:17:17.015-08:002014-02-03T18:17:17.015-08:00They gave her a fiver for talking about it? Very h...They gave her a fiver for talking about it? Very hard to accept this now...hopkarmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04721458738337150295noreply@blogger.com