tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post6876295649439253459..comments2024-03-20T18:13:07.791-07:00Comments on LOCH NESS MONSTER: The Jonathan Bright Nessie PictureGlasgow Boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-5403075334508333632013-12-02T03:08:38.858-08:002013-12-02T03:08:38.858-08:00Thanks for that. I'll check the records for an...Thanks for that. I'll check the records for anything from 1941, though not much was reported in the war years. Was it ever reported?<br /><br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-20952106379935518252013-11-29T23:06:22.359-08:002013-11-29T23:06:22.359-08:00Brand new here. Just have to add what my grandmoth...Brand new here. Just have to add what my grandmother told me. She said she saw the creature in 1941 while sitting at the back of a bus. Said it had a long neck that protruded out of the water. My grandmother never lied and to me this alone validates the existence of some kind of creature.The Tweetest AtweetNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09748438875502327609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-90487010260252339592013-11-20T16:00:35.759-08:002013-11-20T16:00:35.759-08:00All very interesting, but checkout this MonsterQue...All very interesting, but checkout this MonsterQuest video on YouTube. Pertains to what you are referring to. Comes in three parts, I think. Couldn't find the full length one I saw before. It might have been pulled. Try searching under “MonsterQuest - The Loch Ness Monster (Documentary)” The original broadcast title is “Death of Loch Ness”. Here’s the only one I could find. A must see!<br /><br /> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co1jcv8hyXk<br />John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-89916796219639091802013-11-20T14:30:29.047-08:002013-11-20T14:30:29.047-08:00Try these:
• http://www.njan.org/Loch%20Ness%20Mo...Try these:<br /><br />• http://www.njan.org/Loch%20Ness%20Monster%20Controversy.php<br />• http://www.njan.org/camp1.php<br />• http://www.njan.org/camp2.php<br />• http://henryhbauer.homestead.com/LochNessFacts.html<br /><br />Some LNM stuff here:<br /><br />• http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/articles.html<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-47994391666549802072013-11-20T09:18:25.777-08:002013-11-20T09:18:25.777-08:00OK, I apologize for my immediately previous e-mail...OK, I apologize for my immediately previous e-mail where I failed to provide acessible links to the SPARKS newsletter. Glasgowboy, you don't need to provide a contact e-mail. I did a little bit of rummaging, and found the appropriate URL links.<br /><br />Here is the URL link so others can read the newsletter on Dale Drinnon's blog, although it is only the first two pages of the said newsletter.<br /><br />http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2013/04/robert-rines-2001-carcass-and-unknown.html<br /><br />Additionally, there is another blog posting on Dale Drinnon's blog on the carcass as well, and this is the further URL link:<br /><br />http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2013/02/scott-mardis-and-2001-nessie-carcass.html<br /><br />Now in the commentary below this specific blog posting, Dick Raynor believes that the "formation" is quite small, as in only inches in length.<br /><br />But everyone can read the materials, check out the video stills and comparative photos provided by Scott Mardis, and make up their own minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-70101038092219102682013-11-20T08:55:08.265-08:002013-11-20T08:55:08.265-08:00Sure, send it to shimei123@yahoo.co.uk
In regards...Sure, send it to shimei123@yahoo.co.uk<br /><br />In regards to Rines sonar results, I would like to see a revisit to the sites in question with modern equipment. Perhaps there are overhangs and caves but what do we see forty years on?<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-81286455094310125572013-11-20T08:41:26.230-08:002013-11-20T08:41:26.230-08:00If Glasgow Boy will provide a contact e-mail, I ca...If Glasgow Boy will provide a contact e-mail, I can send him scans of the newsletter in question. I believe a copy of the newsletter appeared on Dale Drinnon's blog "Frontiers of Zoology." But I don't know if it is there now. But I encourage people to look. Back in April 2013 Dale had a blog posting about the carcass located on the bottom of Loch Ness, with video stills from the ROV of the "formation" that was found (also mentioned in this newsletter--I believe from the fourth quarter, as it talks about the 3rd quarter newsletter in passing).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-81502076144342380372013-11-20T01:37:24.503-08:002013-11-20T01:37:24.503-08:00John, for more info on possible (but highly improb...John, for more info on possible (but highly improbable) tunnels connecting Loch Ness to the sea, have a look at Dick Raynor's article on this topic here:<br /><br />http://www.lochnessinvestigation.com/Tunnels.htmlSteve Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651489411808346005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-17489472599118619232013-11-19T19:58:42.303-08:002013-11-19T19:58:42.303-08:00Yes, fascinating and unknown to me as well...more?...Yes, fascinating and unknown to me as well...more? Links?hopkarmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04721458738337150295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-4822002123415374472013-11-19T15:07:50.881-08:002013-11-19T15:07:50.881-08:00Sorry Claudio, didn't know it was you doing a ...Sorry Claudio, didn't know it was you doing a blowup/enhancement analysis. Thought you picked it up somewhere. "Case of the replicating mutant Nessie" solved. Case closed. :-)John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-64808996478978557542013-11-19T12:48:17.764-08:002013-11-19T12:48:17.764-08:00Of course it's Photoshop,picture in picture en...Of course it's Photoshop,picture in picture enhancement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-29088468569928378972013-11-19T09:48:48.637-08:002013-11-19T09:48:48.637-08:00Very interesting. I’ve never read that report, as ...Very interesting. I’ve never read that report, as material is sometimes hard to find. What is your link, if any, to the source? I do know of a document published by The Society for Scientific Exploration, Journal of Scientific Exploration, coauthored by ROBERT H. RINES AND FRANK M. DOUGHERTY, link here: http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_17_2_rines.pdf which seems to support the hypothesis that Loch Ness was once an ancient arm of the sea, and the possible avenue of entrance for “large sea animals” to have populated Loch Ness. Mainly a paper on the origin of Loch Ness. By the way, in defense of Glasgow Boy, he makes no claim for “not finding materials” on this specific Blog page. But he can speak for himself if he so wishes. John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-55235386792788172542013-11-18T21:41:10.595-08:002013-11-18T21:41:10.595-08:00Addendum to last comment above, not implying photo...Addendum to last comment above, not implying photo is a Photoshop hoax. Referring to other person or persons unknown as "Bright and cute". Just a moment of levity and play on words. John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-75227454482854435152013-11-18T18:20:59.255-08:002013-11-18T18:20:59.255-08:00Yes, I also see some protuberances on the Monckton...Yes, I also see some protuberances on the Monckton photo. If the photo is genuine, what could they be? I also see some delineation at the 5 O’clock position. Possible appendage/limb? If one assumes the view is of a retreating Nessie shot from the rear and above, could the elongated feature extending to the left be interpreted as a tail? I hope GB gathers enough info soon (hint hint, nudge nudge) to do an analysis. By the way, Roland has dubbed the photo the “roast chicken” shot. Don’t know how original that is!John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-27378751720067032372013-11-18T17:46:03.601-08:002013-11-18T17:46:03.601-08:00Glasgow Boy,
I have been reading with interest al...Glasgow Boy,<br /><br />I have been reading with interest all the stuff here. But I must take issue with you about not finding materials relating to the ocean in Loch Ness, and the caves.<br /><br />In the Academy of Applied Science newsletter (I believe perhaps the 4th quarter?) for 2001, entitled SPARKS, we read the following: on page 2:<br /><br />"the ROV did discover large undercuts or caverns (long rumored but now photographically documented) in a steep 70 [degree] solid rocky " grand canyon" of Horshoe Scree on the southern shore near Fort Augustus. Also, several bays of the main loch could have harbored targets evading our sound beams on our longitudinal "acoustic netting" sweeps of the 24 mile long loch.... Horseshoe Scree gave up another previously unknown secret that may bear upon the food chain of Loch Ness-colonies of orange, living gelatinous "matts" (pictured left) apparently never before known to exist in fresh water lochs. With Mike Nicholson of Deep Sea Systems remotely piloting the ROV on its 1100-foot control cable, we tried unsuccessfully to scoop these up with nets attached to the ROV, but the "matts" disintegrated on the 600-foot rise from the bottom. Again, our Scottish colleagues will try to bring up a sample for analysis and identification.... We're also cautiously optimistic that marine clamshells, discovered by Frank Dougherty when they were accidentally brought up with the bottom silt of the loch by our deep dragging anchor, may at long last be the first positive clues to the possible presence of the sea in the great rift harboring fresh-water Loch Ness. This discovery presents quite favorable implications for how "Nessie(s)" may have entered the Loch...."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-23734527999820031912013-11-18T16:48:50.063-08:002013-11-18T16:48:50.063-08:00Certainly not Mr. Bright! Rather “Mr. Bright and c...Certainly not Mr. Bright! Rather “Mr. Bright and cute” idea man. John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-18225350901174934652013-11-18T16:45:41.112-08:002013-11-18T16:45:41.112-08:00This appears to be a rather unsuccesfull attempt t...This appears to be a rather unsuccesfull attempt to enlarge the 'object', by zooming in a cropped edit of the photo that you had initially published here, Glasgow Boy, I think... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=600689243299544&set=pb.537100722991730.-2207520000.1384821816.&type=3&theater <br />But of course the resolution is poor... Jonathan Brighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14331898427142012909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-43292342030766281062013-11-18T15:49:56.372-08:002013-11-18T15:49:56.372-08:00Yes, but not Mr. Bright!
Yes, but not Mr. Bright!<br />Glasgow Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03597014995112568086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-57094152502789713922013-11-18T15:40:36.580-08:002013-11-18T15:40:36.580-08:00You make some valid points. I was thinking more or...You make some valid points. I was thinking more or less of a strait tunnel and I would think that any cave leading to a tunnel would be no deeper than 50 some ft. to reach equilibrium with sea level. And yes I meant Loch water surface level. But I see your point about a sloping or ascending tunnel, sort of like a trap in a drain. And who knows, maybe there would be caverns somewhere along the tunnel length. But this is all guess work on my part and my limited logical thinking, being neither an engineer nor an expert in hydrology or hydrodynamics. I mostly go with the literature available on that subject. One of the best explanations for the layman, of which I am one, was by Tim Dinsdale in his book Loch Ness Monster (1961) on the possible existence of subterranean tunnels. Simple and concise. Mr. Dinsdale had a knack for keeping things simple for the average person. And he was an engineer! Even back then there was speculation of underground caves/tunnels as an entry and exit for creatures to and from the sea. Tim even stated that such a possibility was “quite insubstantial “. But that was all speculation then as it is now.John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-52432060898617881492013-11-18T14:45:47.211-08:002013-11-18T14:45:47.211-08:00Well, that's certainly different. looks like t...Well, that's certainly different. looks like the first hump grew another bigger hump. Somebody must be playing around with Photoshop.John Alvaradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18069155979480353745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-34808268665175672352013-11-18T12:42:26.440-08:002013-11-18T12:42:26.440-08:00I agree with Pete and thought it was a wave as soo...I agree with Pete and thought it was a wave as soon as I looked at the photo with the object the furthest away. Bright even says he was cruising on the loch at the time - it is clearly taken from the back of the boat and we are seeing boat/propeller wash.hopkarmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04721458738337150295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-76160206667883457942013-11-18T12:40:02.352-08:002013-11-18T12:40:02.352-08:00https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6016466632...https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=601646663203802&set=a.537107209657748.1073741830.537100722991730&type=1&theaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-58342889791538452042013-11-17T20:32:08.098-08:002013-11-17T20:32:08.098-08:00The picture doesn't make much sense to me if y...The picture doesn't make much sense to me if you're looking at the back of the head of something but rather does if you're actually looking at a face in somewhat 3/4 view. <br /><br />Concerning the whole underwater cave theory and the loch being 50 ft above sea level..... I may be wrong here off the top of my head... but the loch would lose water only if this cave outlet to the sea was level to or below the elevation of the lochs water line. Also depending how far down along the lochs walls this hypothetical tunnel is would give varying results.<br /><br />I assume you're saying that the lochs surface is 50 feet above sea level and not the entire loch itself, right?<br />So, for example, if there was a tunnel 50ft below the surface and this tunnel either stayed level before sloping, or just plain sloped downward to the ocean you'd more or less drain the loch of 50 ft of water.<br /><br />However, if this cave or tunnel somehow sloped above the lochs waterline somewhere within the surrounding mountainous terrain before sloping downward towards the ocean, you wouldn't have the problem of the loch's waters seeking equilibrium with the ocean.<br /><br />I suppose this would need to apply to some connections to the sea from the loch no matter how far down in depth.... at some point they'd need to slope upward above the lochs water level lest they drain.<br />But I'm not even considering the reverse....of the oceans effect in this matter.<br /><br />Of course Nessie would also need to be an air breather as it traveled this bit of air gap between ocean and loch. ;)<br /> <br />JonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-80459905482785922882013-11-17T17:22:41.336-08:002013-11-17T17:22:41.336-08:00I noticed that coincidence as well. I'm still...I noticed that coincidence as well. I'm still wondering if any interviewer ever asked Rowe if those protrusion were buoys present before the sighting that were being displaced by what moved under them, or if they appeared to be part of object in the sighting and photo. And if one looks at the outline of the strange object in the 2009 Monckton photo, there are also paired protrusions at about the 11 o'clock position. Odd, odder, and oddest!Steve Plambeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09651489411808346005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-358999656752738469.post-32306682983242062342013-11-17T10:19:28.077-08:002013-11-17T10:19:28.077-08:00Have a look back to the September 2011 follow up v...Have a look back to the September 2011 follow up visit by Glasgow boy to the Jon Rowe photograph near the Dores fish farm. The close up picture of the protusions or horns in that picture look very much like the possible 'horns' in this picture. You can also imagine the back, if slightly under the water, would look very much like the shape under the water in the Jon Rowe photograph. Very interesting,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com